Then we would all be good puppets. I like having a brain to critically think, make mistakes and improve, etc. “Free Will” allows us this. To see all the options, explore it all, and then decide what makes sense in our views. Jesus came to build a bridge between God & people. It’s hard for us to understand because we can’t see everything the way God does. That’s where faith comes in. It’s the hypothesis in science and it’s critical for both.
Maybe Satan caused the evil in our world? My Bible knowledge isn’t perfect but I remember a GARDEN OF EDEN, that sounded pretty perfect.
Hmm.. always more to learn. Meanwhile, I’m happy that God will judge the Covid elite planner’s of the virus/ vaccine genocide. “ Vengeance is Mine” Romans 12:19
How did HE destroy it?? Wow, you think God created this beautiful world, only to destroy it?
We are destroying it, by following Satan & the ways of this world. Sorry you can’t see that. I can’t imagine one day without God. Honest. I’ve seen more miracles than I can count. Not just coincidences, but true miracles. Too many have put God on a shelf, out of our schools, etc. The result is what you see now. Nope, Satan won’t win in the end. God has never lost a battle. It’s too late when Jesus returns. He will judge us all. It’s a little comfort for those that lost loved ones during the Covid scandal. There were millions. God knows. 😇💕
He did do something. He bought your salvation from Satan by sending his son to die on the cross. That’s the reason you can’t “ earn” your way to heaven. Because God already won the spiritual war for us. He didn’t make us puppets that automatically follow him. We have the choice to believe or not. God could have created a world without wars, without pain & suffering and he tried. Adam and Eve paved the way for sin by rejecting God’s instructions.
They HAD everything, and still gave in to the temptations. That’s what we have done for centuries. Got rid of the one thing that is good, true, and holy; God. There will come a day, and everyone will see Him and know the truth. All your questions will be answered about love, Satan, & hell. We don’t have to understand everything & we don’t. We only have to have faith enough to follow God. It’s not complicated, love God & love others. That’s it. Simple. We don’t have to be perfect, because we never could be. Only Jesus was.
Read “ Mere Christianity”- C.S. Lewis explains this so brilliantly. I just know for me, nothing else makes sense. Plus, I’ve seen true miracles in my life that are otherwise unexplainable. HE is too good, to not believe. You don’t know what you don’t know. And you can’t know, unless you get closer to God to find out. It will blow your mind. Seriously. Take a step of faith & see. Many have researched to prove it’s all a myth, or brainwashing, or whatever & what they find is it’s all true. Everything in the Bible historically, has come to pass. The great flood? It happened. Proof is out there, go find it.
But at least there’s a choice. I would hate to be a puppet, unable to follow & praise my choice of a savior. God could’ve made us that way. What kind of followers would that make? Soul- less puppets, would be the result right? The kind of people that the planners of United Nations “ ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT & RELIGION “ want.
The point of “ choice” is everything. It’s faith in its truest form. It’s not a myth or folklore just because we can’t wrap our head around this kind of love. ( I’m responding to another response here)
Yes, great floods (plural) happened 12,000 to 15,000 years ago when the glaciers melted, which is why so many regions have tales about it. There's also one in the tale of Gilgamesh Jess Piper mentioned above, along with a tree of knowledge guarded by a talking snake with a human head. Gilgamesh is Sumerian/Babylonian (remember, where the Biblical Jews were slaves?) and is twice as old as the Bible, as are a lot of ancient Egyptian myths they also borrowed (where they were also slaves.)
I've mentioned elsewhere all the previous men-gods that died and were resurrected long before Jesus. And Lynn Manley is right the so-called Church Fathers dumped a lot of other gospels (James, Thomas, and more) because they all said Mary Magdalene was Jesus' beloved and best apostle to turn Christianity into a male-dominated faith. But they're available to read now in some collections called "The Apocryphal Gospels". Apocrypha means shunted, put away, which is exactly what they did. And some of them are far more spiritual than what got shoved down our throats, imo.
I'm afraid that it's your take, and CS Lewis's, that shows little or no research at all. Real Bible scholars find just what I said above, and more. You're both just listening to preachers.
I understand. And reassure yourself that although research convinces most that all religions are man-made, that doesn't automatically turn them into atheists. The 17th & 18th century Enlightenment was full of deists who still believed in "a higher power" - despite religion (which was still persecuting and torturing people in those days) because as Voltaire said, whether you read Jesus, Confucius, Mahomet or Marcus Aurelius, basic morals seem just as universal as the physical laws of gravity that Newton demonstrated. And he felt that that fact, plus further perfections in the universe science was beginning to discover, transcended all religions and spoke for a greater, less tribal and childish power than all of them portrayed. He expressed feelings like you do below on the wonders of life at times.
Re Christianity, I quite appreciated two books by Garry Wills, "What Jesus Meant" and "What Paul Meant" even though I'm not a believer in the Bible like he is. Both are excellent though on how some preachers misconstrue or deform things.
It's good you have an open mind. Seek and ye shall find!
Thanks, I’ll check the books out. I’ve been watching the series “ Chosen” too & although they have taken some creative freedoms to make it more relatable, it follows the Bible & makes Jesus feel more real. He wasn’t meant to come & just spread love, he came with a sword to stir men’s hearts & prepare them to fight evil.
Mathew 10:34
The Covid chaos, Agenda 30, & future fake pandemics, is all an example of corrupt evil. This is a spiritual war that was documented in the Bible. Even the digital money in exchange for goods and services is in there. ( The Mark of the Beast) Gods not cowering at this. Either am I. The corporate elite hate the family unit, churches, and all our freedoms. Their plan is to take it all away. Churches weren’t seen as essential during lockdowns, but pot shops & other questionable businesses were. Why??!
Because they know the power that Jesus has.
It’s good vs. evil, that’s the choice. Choose carefully & soon. There will come a day when choosing won’t be available. Truth will always win. And evil can’t hide & deceive forever. 😇
Thanks for your long and thoughtful reply. It deserves as much IN reply!
For starts, I always smile at Matthew 10:34 because indeed, Jesus most definitely did not bring peace to the world. Christianity ultimately brought 1300 years of inquisitions, crusades, religious massacres, persecutions, unspeakable tortures and saw untold numbers of "witches" and "heretics" burned alive.
But I blame that on the greedy power-mongers that weaponized Jesus, much more than on Jesus. However, it's always very important to bear in mind just how much evil religion can, and has, produced over the ages.
Agreed re Covid & fake pandemics. And digital money. (Insane!) But it's absurd to say - lefties, I assume, since you're "almost the last Republican? - hate families, churches and our freedoms. Most of them have families they love, some go to churches and the smart ones fight tooth and nail for our freedoms. Jess is one, imo.
Is this the UN Agenda 30 with its 17 goals you're talking about? https://sdgs.un.org/goals. I'm straining to see what's "evil" in it. Enlighten me.
And the reason shops were OK but not churches during lockdowns had to do with the masses of people in churches vs small shops, where "social distancing' was possible. Concerts, theaters and cinemas were also closed, if you recall. Nothing to do with Jesus. Let's be logical (however Illogical the lockdowns were, agreed. You may not know that many thousands of scientists from Harvard, Oxford, Stanford and all over the world protested it way back in 2020. Over 900,000 toward the end. And that contained an awful lot of non-religious "lefties". Check it out: https://gbdeclaration.org/
Good vs evil is a VERY important choice, I agree! But religion has never had any monopoly on "good", as I detailed above. The oligarchy (I prefer kleptocracy) is definitely our real foe, and they own Republicans and Democrats alike (esp Trump, who aspires to BE one!!).
But ultra-rich people trying to buy up all the power is a constant throughout history. The Founders knew it, and did their best to prevent it here with laws and a Constitution too few respect these days (which includes separating church and state, for all the reasons mentioned above, which they were well aware of. The Inquisition was still active in the 18C in Europe. And other kinds of persecutions...)
Even Jesus told the priests that whores and tax-collectors would enter God's reign before they did. (Mt 21:31). And I frankly interpret "the truth will set you free" very differently than most preachers do.
Also remember that Christ was not a Christian. That system (AND its "sacred writings") were gradually built up over a couple of centuries after his death - by more greedy (& misogynistic) power-mongers taking over where the Pharisees left off. Neither Jesus nor Paul were misogynistic, as the Wills books will help explain.
So think on all that. And you choose carefully too!
Rosa Koire - author of Behind the Green Mask & many YouTube videos, explains the U.N. “ goals”. The book & videos are dated a bit but the info. is spot on correct. It’s like Covid & all the rest of the “ dual- purpose” programs; it always looks good on paper but the reality is horrendous. The Covid virus & vaccines ( bioweapons) deployed were not a mistake. They were well thought out to be deadly. Our DOD contracted with Pfizer & they both knew they would cause harm & kill. FDA & CDC knew as well. Those that didn’t, but still had a conscience, made for the great exodus- leaving agencies at the roll- out. This included dr.s , nurses, etc. Sad that many well- intentioned medical professionals had to leave their once loved profession because of a few cowardly elite planners. The plan goes back decades.
Please look into Rosa Koire book. If you search long enough you can find a free PDF of the book. It explains a lot and the true intentions of the U. N. unravels. I agree, reading the info. looks fine, but when you see the ultimate power grab intended, it will blow your mind.
Rosa Koire passed away from cancer but the book and info. she left, keeps her memory alive. It just proves what a legacy one person can leave to better our world.
I don’t have ill- will for Democrats. W.H.O., & corporate elie, gov. officials- especially our DOD & others, is what I meant by “ planners” of Covid virus & vaccines. Fauci, NIH, of course. These are the evils ones that hate our American way & wish to enslave us into 15 min. cities. It’s in the planning now, all over the world. ( Rosa Koire “ enlightened me”) You cant unsee it after you know & see it yourself. Someone here on Substack introduced me. 👍
C.S. Lewis “ Mere Christianity” talks about sin & brilliantly explains your priest & whore scenario. This book explained a lot for me & simplified text in the Bible. I’m still learning a lot but my foundation is strong & solid. I don’t think we can ever know all the details. Besides the devil is in the details. 🙈
It didn’t take long for evil to take advantage of Jesus teachings and take what Jesus gave us & complicate it. This is not God’s fault or lack of planning. This was to clearly weed out the followers from the others. Wars & fighting, Wa witch burnings, and Christian deaths, will all be judged someday. It’s not my job to judge others. If I judge a church member as a God, and leave my faith because of a man, that’s on me. That’s not God. There’s so much we can’t understand, but I understand that. Evil slips into any crack in your faith. I’ll reread your response and text more later. On my way to have Nana time with 2 adorable girls. 🥰
Uh huh. A “gift.” And the alternative is torture.
Wouldn’t a loving god do something to end the torment of Hell?
A loving god would not create hell in the first place. And that's because this god would not create bad people.
Then we would all be good puppets. I like having a brain to critically think, make mistakes and improve, etc. “Free Will” allows us this. To see all the options, explore it all, and then decide what makes sense in our views. Jesus came to build a bridge between God & people. It’s hard for us to understand because we can’t see everything the way God does. That’s where faith comes in. It’s the hypothesis in science and it’s critical for both.
Maybe Satan caused the evil in our world? My Bible knowledge isn’t perfect but I remember a GARDEN OF EDEN, that sounded pretty perfect.
Hmm.. always more to learn. Meanwhile, I’m happy that God will judge the Covid elite planner’s of the virus/ vaccine genocide. “ Vengeance is Mine” Romans 12:19
That vengeful god needs to be put on the shelf forever. No one needs a god who destroys more of creation than he saves.
How did HE destroy it?? Wow, you think God created this beautiful world, only to destroy it?
We are destroying it, by following Satan & the ways of this world. Sorry you can’t see that. I can’t imagine one day without God. Honest. I’ve seen more miracles than I can count. Not just coincidences, but true miracles. Too many have put God on a shelf, out of our schools, etc. The result is what you see now. Nope, Satan won’t win in the end. God has never lost a battle. It’s too late when Jesus returns. He will judge us all. It’s a little comfort for those that lost loved ones during the Covid scandal. There were millions. God knows. 😇💕
Merry Christmas!
He did do something. He bought your salvation from Satan by sending his son to die on the cross. That’s the reason you can’t “ earn” your way to heaven. Because God already won the spiritual war for us. He didn’t make us puppets that automatically follow him. We have the choice to believe or not. God could have created a world without wars, without pain & suffering and he tried. Adam and Eve paved the way for sin by rejecting God’s instructions.
They HAD everything, and still gave in to the temptations. That’s what we have done for centuries. Got rid of the one thing that is good, true, and holy; God. There will come a day, and everyone will see Him and know the truth. All your questions will be answered about love, Satan, & hell. We don’t have to understand everything & we don’t. We only have to have faith enough to follow God. It’s not complicated, love God & love others. That’s it. Simple. We don’t have to be perfect, because we never could be. Only Jesus was.
Read “ Mere Christianity”- C.S. Lewis explains this so brilliantly. I just know for me, nothing else makes sense. Plus, I’ve seen true miracles in my life that are otherwise unexplainable. HE is too good, to not believe. You don’t know what you don’t know. And you can’t know, unless you get closer to God to find out. It will blow your mind. Seriously. Take a step of faith & see. Many have researched to prove it’s all a myth, or brainwashing, or whatever & what they find is it’s all true. Everything in the Bible historically, has come to pass. The great flood? It happened. Proof is out there, go find it.
I’ve read 11 of Lewis’s books. Still an apostate.
I’ve heard this exact song and dance before. I lived it for 22 years.
Free will is pointless when the wrong choice ends with with eternal damnation.
But at least there’s a choice. I would hate to be a puppet, unable to follow & praise my choice of a savior. God could’ve made us that way. What kind of followers would that make? Soul- less puppets, would be the result right? The kind of people that the planners of United Nations “ ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT & RELIGION “ want.
The point of “ choice” is everything. It’s faith in its truest form. It’s not a myth or folklore just because we can’t wrap our head around this kind of love. ( I’m responding to another response here)
Yes, great floods (plural) happened 12,000 to 15,000 years ago when the glaciers melted, which is why so many regions have tales about it. There's also one in the tale of Gilgamesh Jess Piper mentioned above, along with a tree of knowledge guarded by a talking snake with a human head. Gilgamesh is Sumerian/Babylonian (remember, where the Biblical Jews were slaves?) and is twice as old as the Bible, as are a lot of ancient Egyptian myths they also borrowed (where they were also slaves.)
I've mentioned elsewhere all the previous men-gods that died and were resurrected long before Jesus. And Lynn Manley is right the so-called Church Fathers dumped a lot of other gospels (James, Thomas, and more) because they all said Mary Magdalene was Jesus' beloved and best apostle to turn Christianity into a male-dominated faith. But they're available to read now in some collections called "The Apocryphal Gospels". Apocrypha means shunted, put away, which is exactly what they did. And some of them are far more spiritual than what got shoved down our throats, imo.
I'm afraid that it's your take, and CS Lewis's, that shows little or no research at all. Real Bible scholars find just what I said above, and more. You're both just listening to preachers.
C.S.Lewis isn’t my “ research”, but he explains human nature & God in a way I appreciate.
I understand. And reassure yourself that although research convinces most that all religions are man-made, that doesn't automatically turn them into atheists. The 17th & 18th century Enlightenment was full of deists who still believed in "a higher power" - despite religion (which was still persecuting and torturing people in those days) because as Voltaire said, whether you read Jesus, Confucius, Mahomet or Marcus Aurelius, basic morals seem just as universal as the physical laws of gravity that Newton demonstrated. And he felt that that fact, plus further perfections in the universe science was beginning to discover, transcended all religions and spoke for a greater, less tribal and childish power than all of them portrayed. He expressed feelings like you do below on the wonders of life at times.
Re Christianity, I quite appreciated two books by Garry Wills, "What Jesus Meant" and "What Paul Meant" even though I'm not a believer in the Bible like he is. Both are excellent though on how some preachers misconstrue or deform things.
It's good you have an open mind. Seek and ye shall find!
Thanks, I’ll check the books out. I’ve been watching the series “ Chosen” too & although they have taken some creative freedoms to make it more relatable, it follows the Bible & makes Jesus feel more real. He wasn’t meant to come & just spread love, he came with a sword to stir men’s hearts & prepare them to fight evil.
Mathew 10:34
The Covid chaos, Agenda 30, & future fake pandemics, is all an example of corrupt evil. This is a spiritual war that was documented in the Bible. Even the digital money in exchange for goods and services is in there. ( The Mark of the Beast) Gods not cowering at this. Either am I. The corporate elite hate the family unit, churches, and all our freedoms. Their plan is to take it all away. Churches weren’t seen as essential during lockdowns, but pot shops & other questionable businesses were. Why??!
Because they know the power that Jesus has.
It’s good vs. evil, that’s the choice. Choose carefully & soon. There will come a day when choosing won’t be available. Truth will always win. And evil can’t hide & deceive forever. 😇
Thanks for your long and thoughtful reply. It deserves as much IN reply!
For starts, I always smile at Matthew 10:34 because indeed, Jesus most definitely did not bring peace to the world. Christianity ultimately brought 1300 years of inquisitions, crusades, religious massacres, persecutions, unspeakable tortures and saw untold numbers of "witches" and "heretics" burned alive.
But I blame that on the greedy power-mongers that weaponized Jesus, much more than on Jesus. However, it's always very important to bear in mind just how much evil religion can, and has, produced over the ages.
Agreed re Covid & fake pandemics. And digital money. (Insane!) But it's absurd to say - lefties, I assume, since you're "almost the last Republican? - hate families, churches and our freedoms. Most of them have families they love, some go to churches and the smart ones fight tooth and nail for our freedoms. Jess is one, imo.
Is this the UN Agenda 30 with its 17 goals you're talking about? https://sdgs.un.org/goals. I'm straining to see what's "evil" in it. Enlighten me.
And the reason shops were OK but not churches during lockdowns had to do with the masses of people in churches vs small shops, where "social distancing' was possible. Concerts, theaters and cinemas were also closed, if you recall. Nothing to do with Jesus. Let's be logical (however Illogical the lockdowns were, agreed. You may not know that many thousands of scientists from Harvard, Oxford, Stanford and all over the world protested it way back in 2020. Over 900,000 toward the end. And that contained an awful lot of non-religious "lefties". Check it out: https://gbdeclaration.org/
Good vs evil is a VERY important choice, I agree! But religion has never had any monopoly on "good", as I detailed above. The oligarchy (I prefer kleptocracy) is definitely our real foe, and they own Republicans and Democrats alike (esp Trump, who aspires to BE one!!).
But ultra-rich people trying to buy up all the power is a constant throughout history. The Founders knew it, and did their best to prevent it here with laws and a Constitution too few respect these days (which includes separating church and state, for all the reasons mentioned above, which they were well aware of. The Inquisition was still active in the 18C in Europe. And other kinds of persecutions...)
Even Jesus told the priests that whores and tax-collectors would enter God's reign before they did. (Mt 21:31). And I frankly interpret "the truth will set you free" very differently than most preachers do.
Also remember that Christ was not a Christian. That system (AND its "sacred writings") were gradually built up over a couple of centuries after his death - by more greedy (& misogynistic) power-mongers taking over where the Pharisees left off. Neither Jesus nor Paul were misogynistic, as the Wills books will help explain.
So think on all that. And you choose carefully too!
Rosa Koire - author of Behind the Green Mask & many YouTube videos, explains the U.N. “ goals”. The book & videos are dated a bit but the info. is spot on correct. It’s like Covid & all the rest of the “ dual- purpose” programs; it always looks good on paper but the reality is horrendous. The Covid virus & vaccines ( bioweapons) deployed were not a mistake. They were well thought out to be deadly. Our DOD contracted with Pfizer & they both knew they would cause harm & kill. FDA & CDC knew as well. Those that didn’t, but still had a conscience, made for the great exodus- leaving agencies at the roll- out. This included dr.s , nurses, etc. Sad that many well- intentioned medical professionals had to leave their once loved profession because of a few cowardly elite planners. The plan goes back decades.
Please look into Rosa Koire book. If you search long enough you can find a free PDF of the book. It explains a lot and the true intentions of the U. N. unravels. I agree, reading the info. looks fine, but when you see the ultimate power grab intended, it will blow your mind.
Rosa Koire passed away from cancer but the book and info. she left, keeps her memory alive. It just proves what a legacy one person can leave to better our world.
I don’t have ill- will for Democrats. W.H.O., & corporate elie, gov. officials- especially our DOD & others, is what I meant by “ planners” of Covid virus & vaccines. Fauci, NIH, of course. These are the evils ones that hate our American way & wish to enslave us into 15 min. cities. It’s in the planning now, all over the world. ( Rosa Koire “ enlightened me”) You cant unsee it after you know & see it yourself. Someone here on Substack introduced me. 👍
C.S. Lewis “ Mere Christianity” talks about sin & brilliantly explains your priest & whore scenario. This book explained a lot for me & simplified text in the Bible. I’m still learning a lot but my foundation is strong & solid. I don’t think we can ever know all the details. Besides the devil is in the details. 🙈
It didn’t take long for evil to take advantage of Jesus teachings and take what Jesus gave us & complicate it. This is not God’s fault or lack of planning. This was to clearly weed out the followers from the others. Wars & fighting, Wa witch burnings, and Christian deaths, will all be judged someday. It’s not my job to judge others. If I judge a church member as a God, and leave my faith because of a man, that’s on me. That’s not God. There’s so much we can’t understand, but I understand that. Evil slips into any crack in your faith. I’ll reread your response and text more later. On my way to have Nana time with 2 adorable girls. 🥰
I'm an atheist.